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Thursday, December 15, 2005

Where did the Moon come from? Part 2 - The Big Whack by Joe Leddy

Where did the Moon come from? (Part 2 " The Big Whack")

In my last post we looked at the Origins of the Moon and the "Big Three', theories that tried to answer the question of the Moons beginnings. All three had at least some scientific basis behind them, although they all turned out to fall short in one manner or another. So where does that leave the discussion? If the "Big Three" doesn't answer the question, what does?

Enter the currently accepted theory,"The Big Whack". In the mid 1970’s this new theory started to come together. William Hartman (from the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Arizona) and Don Davis (a colleague from the PSI) determined that a roaming planetoid of significant enough size could theoretically knock enough of the mantle off of the Earth if it struck early enough after the formation of the planet.

Meanwhile at Harvard University, Alistair Cameron and William Ward determined independently of Hartman and Davis's work that a planetoid of at least the size of Mars could have provided the needed force to supply enough raw materials for the Moon.

Putting these two pieces of work together, "The Big Whack" Theory was born. It was not without its detractors, scientists tend to frown on outlandish answers to problems. So the theory sat without much work being put into it until 1984. In Kona, Hawaii a conference was held to discuss the origins of the moon, and research started to move forward on the Giant Impact Theory as it was know known. (Apparently Astronomers have a rough life with conferences in Hawaii, as apposed to digging in the middle of Montana like a Geologist)

Robin Canup, an astrophysicist from the Southwest Research Institute, modeled what such an impact would look like. Her calculations arrived at the conclusion that the impacting object would have to have been two to three times the size of Mars. She arrived at this conclusion based on her assumptions that only 20 to 50% of the material ejected from an impact would make it to form the Moon.

The Moon is less dense than the Earth, a moon forming from a cloud of debris from the impactor and the Earth' mantle would explain this. The Big Whack also explains the Moon’s tiny core; models show that the Earth would have absorbed any core within the impactor. And the Big Whack explains while the Earth rotates about an axis on a 23.5-degree tilt.

So far so good, however there are still holes in the Big Whack that need to be worked out. For instance, if the Moon is made up from a combination of an impactor and the Earth, why is there such an oxygen-isotope similarity between the two? Wouldn’t you expect more of a difference? A second problem is the resulting spin of the Earth that would have resulted. If such a large object hit at an angle resulting in all of this debris, the planet would have a significant increase in its rotational speeds. How do we account for the lack of this spin? A second impact slowing the Earth down seems incredibly unlikely.

While there are still questions to be answered, the Big Whack is still the favored theory of lunar development.

For more information on the Moon and its origins
please see the following websites:

www.nasa.gov

www.pbs.org/wgbn/nova (origins by Peter Tyson)

Origin of the Moon by William Hartman published in
1984

www.space.com (Torn Away: The Moon’s Violent Birth
September 1 2000)

7 Comments:

The Family Homestead (www.familyhomestead.com) said...

Well immediately I can think of a problem (well one right off... I won't bother with all the others).

If our moon was created by this "whack" then it would be logical to assume all or at least almost all moons were created in the same manner. So...

Saturn has 28 KNOWN moons. So assuming that there were either 28 "whacks" or a few REALLY GIANT "whacks". To create so many, and some not too small then why is saturn still here? Let alone so big? Also since matter doesn't just disappear where is it?

Isn't it a little silly that science has gotten to the point of being much better at fiction than facts? :)

Mike

PS Yes I believe in creation - it takes a lot less faith...

Sunday, 18 December, 2005  
ashely white said...

The theories of any unexplained events through out our history are just that theories, thoughts of an individual. I don’t think we will ever really know about how the moon was formed or how we were for that matter. In 100 years our technology will improve and new theories will evolve and our old ones will be disproved. Then another 100 years with improved technology and so on and so on. For an instant when I read part one I thought yes the moon is just a planet sucked in by our gravity. That makes perfect sense. Then as you read on you see that it can’t be. Now I don’t know how to feel about the big whack. It does not really make any sense to me, but the scientist who study this intensely seem to understand and feel that this is the best explanation. Well at least they do for now!

Tuesday, 20 December, 2005  
Gary Cisek said...

See i agree with Ashley becuase we will never know what created the moom . With all the technology we have now and all the technology we will have in the future we still may never tell. One reason is becuase of the comets and meteors that hit the moom daily. This causes the moom to break up and also when we keep sediemtns we will never tell because of the collisions. Anther reason may be if the moom hits the sun if that happens we will never get information from the moon. So the scientist who study this have to put there heart and sole into things they may neva find out about.

Tuesday, 20 December, 2005  
Fred Sierra said...

I’m not so sure about the “Big Whack Theory”. I can’t jump on the band wagon right away. This is a very interesting concept that is very hard to picture. When the impactor hits earth, is it a big chunk that breaks off or is it many pieces that accreate like the earth as they circle the earth while getting trapped in earths gravitational pull? Or, is it one big chunk with chunks that vary in size following the impact? If the gravitational pull is strong enough to hold the moon in its orbit it is surly strong enough to hold smaller particles, right? What is up with the distance the moon is away from earth? Why is it orbit at that distance? This also brings up the capturing theory, if it can’t capture because of the specific conditions that are needed. How is it that the moon didn’t leave earth’s gravity because of the force and velocity that is being produced as the moon separates from the earth? Why is it that the moon is more like earth’s composition? They explain the cloud of impactor material and earth material. Is this the cloud that is trapped in earth’s gravity is it orbits earth and why wasn’t it pulled into earth. I would like to see a model of this and definitely read more about this theory along with co-accreation theory so I could compare the two.
I read the other comments about Saturn having 28 moons and al though I don’t totally agree with the big whack theory and that’s only because of a lack of knowledge,. Saturn’s moon’s, I believe, are captured asteroids with little or no significance other than “Titan”, Saturn’s largest moon, which may have organic life. I do have to agree with him about science getting silly at times but you never know what my be the right answer and that’s why I can never help. When you are dealing with the universe and the accreation of earth, they are of such magnitude that everything to me becomes speculation and you never know what is true. I guess in that case its best to have many ideas and theories.

Wednesday, 21 December, 2005  
~Lindsay S.~ said...

With the evidence supporting the “Big impact theory” it makes you wonder why it isn’t written in stone already. Granted there can never be enough evidence to explain an event of this size, but the evidence that scientists do have is incredible. Although if there was a large impact and debris was ejected from earth why didn’t it start a ring like that of other planets? How did the smaller lumps of debris become the moon that we know today? Why didn’t the debris just stay orbiting the earth as just smaller pieces of debris? In any case the moon somehow was created from earth material.
The moon is “dead” meaning it does not have plate tectonics, volcanism or a molten core. Assuming that the moon is made up of the same “stuff” as the earth, does that mean the earth will eventually look like the moon after if has lost its heat and becomes “dead” also? Just a thought.
Not only would the size of the object that hit the earth would be enormous but that the speed it must have been traveling. The object must have been so enormous that it would knock a planet bigger than itself off its axis a little. A collision this size puts the impact that killed off the dinosaurs to shame.
I also agree that the capture theory is also realistic. The solar system was formed at the same time and it just depended where the compounds or elements cooled that they formed solids. It seems possible that something that was created about the same area as Earth could be made up of the same elements. It just wasn’t as large as Earth. The capturing of smaller planetesimals is evident around other planets so why is it discounted with earth?
At any rate the discussion of the origin and history of the moon remains fascinating to me as well as scientists and other people. It is an event that we may never know exactly what happened but through investigations and studies scientists will uncover the secrets of the moon just like they have for other fascinating events in the past.

Wednesday, 21 December, 2005  
Anthony Angione said...

From Anthony Angione
I believe It was left here form the Big Bang occurrence. We live on a planet that is just fortunate enough to be important garbage in space. Ours is the only one we know is inhabitable. The moon just didn’t have the potential you might say. the moon is just debris nothing more, nothing less. Nevertheless the moon is important in concerning the development our solar system. How did it get there why is it not inhabitable. Why was it made the way it is. A dry distorted world full of craters and pockmarks. Why is it like this how did it get like this. “The Big Whack” theory proposes that the moon was once part of earth and got knocked off by something very powerful. It is a flawed theory perhaps but again so is evolution and I accept that. It would explain the numerous impact sites and huge craters on both earth and the moon. It is certainly very possible that the earth and moon are conjoined twins separated at birth. This is a step in the progress arena for science. As I said before the moon is just debris I believe left over from the Big Bang. Now someone says it is a part of us. An entity separated from us early in Earth’s history. IT does not seem to make sense to me that we were connected. But who knows. Hundreds of years ago people once believed Earth was the center of the universe. Now we know better. Who knows how much truth to this may come about 1,000 years from now. Just keep an open mind and listen to the evidence is what I say. That’s what a good student should do.

Thursday, 22 December, 2005  
Murph said...

I never heard of the whack till now. It interesting to know that theres another possibility of how the moon came about.With so monay ways which one could of actaully made this happen. Wouldn't an impact with earth leave a dent somwhere or anywhere? What it do just bounce off like hitting shoulder to shouldr. If things were broken off and ejacted into the air and space wheer are they now. In space wouldn't you think that would still be floating around somewhere. And i believe that if an impact occured that it would slow down the impact and it had to rub agsinst it and slow down just a se or two from rubbing one another cuasing friction to stop. Anything have to do with space amazes me and i just take it all in what is said to me how it happened. when i have so mnay questions on top of question of how and why. I always say what bout this way as if there was another way and jst the way scientist say things happn. I'll never understand how people know these things are real and its th exact way. because how to all really occur. Beacuse what you say started it isn't really that beacuse something had to start that. its a never ending guess.

Wednesday, 17 May, 2006  

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